linkalternative notetaking


linknotes in an ereader-centric world


linkOutline

I moved our team from Bookstack to Outline because it was extremely easy to create groups and assign permissions, default permission, etc. It also supports real-time collaboration on the document so we also started using it for meeting notes.

https://blog.yarsalabs.com/self-hosting-outline-wiki-on-cloudron/

linksnappy mail

8ms web performance


linkjoplin

linkPros

open source, self hosted

linkCons:

linkno collab

A conflict happens when one note or one attachment is modified in two different places, and then synchronised. In that case, it is not possible to determine which version of the note or attachment you want to keep, and thus a conflict is generated.

no easy linking: [Link to my note](:/0b0d62d15e60409dac34f354b6e9e839)

linknodebb

no easy linking

no fast new note creation

public by default! Better than talking to myself


linkWreeto

Indeed, it has no multi-user yet but seems OK for a single user. Apparently, you can create more users like https://github.com/chrisvel/wreeto_official#52-create-a-new-account-rails-console (but looks like the users have no connection to one another. no sharing etc)


linkSimple & Free
Wiki Software

linkwiki.js

https://github.com/claudioc/jingo

https://js.wiki/modules better than amplenote in some aspects

diff

user groups with permissions


cons

full reload when clicking pages. back button too

no mobile app

no ocr

slower search

TOP CON

Full of UI bugs and missing featuresMany bugs that detract from the user experience



linkbookstack

have to enter edit modek


linkworkflowy

linkpros

good for outlining

multiple highlight colors

everything is one giant file

has functionality but very hidden references [[

hoisting


linkCheckvist

linkpros

has functionality but very hidden references [[

one bullet, one entry on the database, but no versioning

no limit in bullet compared to workflowy


linkcons

no html paste

no multi select

no img

no versioning

lots of noise in functionality to keep in mind

you cannot see a list of notes (called lists)


linkCode browser


https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/changes.html

https://tibleiz.net/code-browser/features.html

linkpros

Kills fast notetaking. You need to place the note somewhere in the hierarchy.

Same for single file amplenote, pitty.

1

link Cons

No markdown

No tags but hierarchy

No filter headings?

No filter headings?

Geany with header nav to would do the same?

infinite canvas notetaking apps


linkMem discarded

terrible latency



linkAmplenote

amplenote


linkSpeare

multicolumn
https://www.speare.com/
![/Downloads/speare-opens-new-lanes-for-thinking-with-a-workspace.jpg](/Downloads/speare-opens-new-lanes-for-thinking-with-a-workspace.jpg?width=700)


linkDendron


Like obsidian but in vscode
cons
60ms latency


linkrelanote

not actively developed


linkpros

Filter graph
mobile app
can create note on the graph itself
can move a node without rearranging the entire graph
can filter graph by category or by tag
can share notes (with the world; not molecular)


linkcons

Looks like the forum admin last response was from March. Maybe something happened and they are not developing the product anymore? Who knows…
graph has only a few steps in zoom
no note permissions per team etc
only now moved to SPA
back button takes 1sec to render new page




linkzenkit hypernotes

only advantage over quip is that it has the graph


linkpros

collaboration
sharing, permissions
comments. Can also record a voice message, or add a file or another Zenkit item to your comment by clicking the + button to the left.
Integration with zenchat: you can just chat about the notebook directly and reference notes in your chat!)
You get notifications about changes to notes made by other people, comments on notes, @mentions, task reminders, and when you've been added as a collaborator in a notebook.
mobile app
can open note in a sidepanel, so you have two notes opened at all times. hold down the Shift key and click on the note (either from the Table, Pages, or Graph view)
has drawings


linkcons

terrible import/export, one at a time: Locked down
no folders, only notebooks
5 eur/mo per user
comment per note, not molecular enough. Easy to replace in zim with a 'comments' section. and a mention
no img insertion, only linking
28ms latency
graph restructures itself when adding nodes
not easy to read in a sequential order,
not easy to export the graph, or import
Sharing at the level of notebook; not notes
no headings
no video



Problem with winner, zim, it's not good for drawing
But we can attach files of drawings done in another program
painting programs (drawing)


linkclover notes

We've spent our careers working on creative tools. Tom started building web-based design products with Apple back in 2011. Our first startup – Macaw – was one of the first no-code tools on the market. It was acquired by InVision years ago, where we went on to build numerous other design tools. We are also long-time productivity junkies, having built nine different note-taking and task management apps over the past eight years. These were passion projects that were fun to build and use.


Working in the design industry, we noticed how designers struggle to communicate their ideas with design tools alone. They often spend more time in a text document outlining feature specifications than they do in their design program designing the actual interface. Task management is done in yet another program, and so on.


At the same time, we noticed how text editors don’t do a good job of supporting thinking. Our brains naturally think in a non-linear fashion. Great ideas don't flow out of us with a beginning, a middle and an end—they require an iterative process of divergence and convergence (the ‘double diamond model’, for those familiar). Forcing people to record their ideas in linear documents is a terrible constraint. It's much more intuitive to work in a non-linear fashion like designers do within their design tools.


Conclusion: Thinking tools lack communication and productivity features. Writing tools lack thinking and iteration capabilities. This means you need to string together multiple tools across an idea’s lifecycle, which is difficult to manage.


This gave us the idea for Clover: a single workspace to support all stages of an idea’s development: from brainstorming, design, planning, all the way to execution. It should be as good for thinking and iteration as design tools, have powerful text and knowledge management capabilities, and support planning and task tracking workflows. The mission is to help you think more creatively and get more done every day.



has infinite canvas
the concept of surfaces. You can link things, both visually and with wikilinks
But typing latency is atrocius



linknotebag

https://notebag.app/


linkcons

markdown? stuttering while typing
last update 2020 https://pretzelhands.com/posts/end-of-notebag/


linkpros

keyboard driven
markdown, live preview,
bidirectional linking with quotation (preview) of where it's linked)
⌨️ Autocomplete for note links and categories! No more tedious remembering of note names and what categories you used that one time. Notebag helps you now.


🗂 Projects for your notes! Categories now function as projects in which you can group your notes. You can then add these projects to the sidebar to quickly access them.


📌 Pinnable notes! You can now pin your most important notes in the note overview and separately for each project. No more need to search or look around.


🧮 Math integration! You can now enter any LaTeX math you can think of between $ signs and get back beautifully rendered math!


🚛 Note importing! You can now import your existing notes from a folder of .md files! Be sure to check the tutorial notes to see how it works


↩️ RTL language support! For all those of you who speak a right-to-left language: You can now write your notes in them. Notebag automatically recognizes the characters and switches the note to RTL mode.


🏎 Performance improvements! For those of you who use lots of images in their notes, Notebag saves images to an external directory now. This should prevent stuttering while typing.


linkMuse

https://museapp.com/
It's a spatial canvas for ipad


linkpros

Can link
Designed for apple pen


linkAthens

athens research


linkPlus

Open source
graph based
bidirectional links
That should be true, but so far it is Roam with the biggest problems with performance, from 30+ seconds of loading each time you load/refresh tab to constant lags in normal usage for some users :)
I personally like the most this mixed approach of Logseq - app internally uses DataScript, but data is ultimately stored in plain files.


It's not either or as you mentioned! Plan to have user data stored in plain files as well.
Roam's performance suffers mainly on first-load because they are server-first, and they load the entire db into memory at the beginning (such that it's quite fast thereafter).
Once we have true local-first data structures with something like https://github.com/replikativ/datahike, we could still have fast in-memory, but also fast initial load.

such that it's quite fast thereafter
Not always :) I saw that myself and I also see complaints on Roam Slack. In my experience it mostly depends on how many queries you have on given page, but sometimes it lags (long waiting time when switching between pages or opening note in sidebar) also with simple, "atomic" notes. But they overall struggle with polishing existing parts before adding new features, so maybe performance is still on its early days in Roam.
Me and some friends have played around with Roam a bit and we are baffled by the app. It just does not work well. It is a badly-designed, lower performance, glitchy note-taking app. You end up staring at its gaudy giant astrolabe loading spinner more often than not. We look at it and end up baffled why anyone would pay a monthly subscription for it!


linkMost notetaking apps are too bloated IMO


collaboration in notetaking


linklatency

What happens if I add this line? it shows, but it's not marked as change


This is still ghosting
now the cursor is tiny and it works better
Maybe that helps
this is


for local napkin: cudatext


cudatext vs kate
'' Title Min Max Avg SD
1 txt cuda 51.0 137.0 81.8 19.4
2 ad cuda 59.7 149.0 93.5 17.2
^^ that was with qt
3 txt gtk2 virgin cuda 12.9 42.1 27.7 8.1
4 Untitled 0.9 41.3 9.2 12.6
5 txt gtk2 nicesettings 1.1 5.8 2.9 0.9
6 md big gtk2 nicesettings 3.8 25.1 14.7 5.3
7 ad big gtk2 nicesettings 4.3 28.3 15.8 5.1
8 at end ad big gtk2 nicesettings 1.2 6.0 3.3 0.7
9 super big md file, alt note.md 3.5 22.3 13. 3.7


changing back to block cursor
1 Untitled 3.8 24.1 13.0 5.0
2 md alt text bottom 11.5 217.1 38.9 18.3
3 md alt text blick cursor 5.1 35.8 20.9 6.7
4 md alt text bottom block 1.4 22.4 4.6 2.2


Note only gtk2 version is fast typing


linkpros



plugins in python. Big deal

Has sidebar

plugins for writing:

autocenter line

focus mode

markdown preview

continuation bullets on markdown, surround bold, etc

highlight variables, occurrences

opens url by dclick

opens file:/// urls. This is already a good sytem to do zettel. you can navigate on these files by copying the url from the palette in project. Problem: it ties you to your filesystem, and no file autocompletion.

Better 'board' mode, can move tabs across tab groups

better sessions: Sessions are stored to files in JSON format, with .cuda-session extension, usually in the "settings" folder of CudaText.

autosave is cleaner. 30 sec default

differ with edit in pl

scroll by one line possible

easier to find cursor

naming the fle with first is possible! Dev made it on my request!



linkcons



not working spellcheck.

some plugins are poor

go to file takes a long time, project plugin sucks. But how often do you change files?

cursor kinda ghosts, very distracting

looks like adding plugins affects latency.

Chaning the caret to anything but block makes latency measurements suck.

using images ties us to the editor. And it wouldn't work with diff all that well I imagine?'



can I live with the ghosting? If yes, we are done


linkcuda vs quire


Looks like big files in MD are a bad idea in general.
Small files, connected with links, are a better idea.
But then the interface for connecting them must be top notch.


file:/Nodating//apps.adoc


this works. we connect files rarely enough that rg is fine. also for opening? so instead of F4 in kate, here we go to the terminal?
rg doesn't have fuzzy matching of filenames
and spaces are a problem for the regex'


linkpros



quire is 30ms, cuda is 19 on big files, but 3ms on small ones

cuda can keep multiple windows open

TOC on the side



linkcons



As board: gotta name files (but you need to name columns in quire)

As board: only 6 lanes

shittier way to link to files rg then paste?

no tags

no sharing

no versioning unless you do git or seafile

not good for molecular collaboration unless you do draftin

no hierarchy, even if prose is in filenames

not very good for comments



it's not a real alternative'


linkcuda for python


not gonna have LSP support anytime soon
https://github.com/Alexey-T/CudaText/issues/2785


linkMD vs adoc



cuda lexer is faster on big md files

navigation is foldable with md


having autocenter line is pretty nice makes it slow?



winner: quire


Am I losing a lot from not connecting notes right now?
How does a feature table look like as a network? is this useful?
What is more valuable, the connection between notes or the text in them?
If the notes don't produce good decisions, then what's the point?


Splitting knowledge is a hard problem.
A long text file with headings is a way. Rarely there's a reference to a previous heading. Which would explain why I rarely refer to other notes. They are fresh in my mind, or I can find them with search. If I know they exist.


Discoverability is a problem. But a small one.


Re-reading notes is more important.


linkWiki


linkwikis on zenkit


linkgood


custom fields(!)
table view
pretty generous free layer
in germany
has formulas
big attachments
Can have molecular access to content by adding people with automations to each workspace? probably true of archbee too
has the same change history per note


linkbad


no hierarchy
no versioning
wiki text is slow as any web component.
no img upload. No video embeds
no hierarchy.
even internal links are silly html links
no 'what links here'
no diff when clicking on history, exactly as in quire
no img preview on board view


linkteam todolists


probably crap


linkquire


kindo of todolist but on the web


linkpros


very clean, very fast
has list (infinite next and then board mode)
can connect tasks with autocomplete on #
integrates with gdrive
has both board and list view
can paste image on comments
clickable links
fast search
good keyboard shortcuts
mobile
comments on every card. They move with the card
a card can be in more than one place
links to cards outside the board, within a project
Adding things to description (shortcut d) is probably as fast as creating files in kate


it's good for docs
good for team collaboration


linkcons


as anyting web, 30ms latency
not very visual. Images are buried


no cards when pasting links


internote linking only works within a project. So notes has to be a project
export is only csv or json. loses the links to files; only a task id. Not
impossible to recreate the network, but hmm
the id column has ids AND text notes. ugh


no network view
no versioning
it's still a tree, not a graph, even though it has links to other tasks


mixes shopping list with life goals :)
and prose writing


linkkitchen sink things


Looking for a better walling


linkinfolio


as a moodboard, it's free, unlimited
good search
notes can have lots of text
links get previews
scroll with icon screen


cons
no export
no order
no linking
no versioning


linkclickup


monster
not really a board. more like a trello on steroids


linkdocs


advantages over kate:
it has comments
clickable links, although not with previews
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/r


can link docs fast
Can do images


linkcons


not a great clipper
canban board is for todos, not docs
it could be a bit like a new quip


linkmind mapping things


https://www.mind-mapping.org/index.php?title#Special:MultiCategorySearch


Collections:
https://github.com/prathyvsh/networked-notebooks


https://www.notion.so/db13644f08144495ad9877f217a161a1?v#ff6777802811416ba08dc114e


MIT centered on references with connections. Plain text on the side is second class
https://relanote.com/


linkFlashcards ones


linkRemnote discarded, too buggy

remnote


linkmochi

Mochi has the potential to take notes, though not like RemNote. But I turn all my notes into flashcards anyway. I use the notebook view in Mochi taking notes during lectures, then I turn them into flashcards afterwards with close deletion. That's what I was using RemNote for anyway.


It's not a replacement for a full note-taking app, though, if you need that. However, it's way better than Anki in terms of design. Cards can also be linked together. And you can format cards with markdown formatting.


linkpros

cards can be shared?


linkcons

no network visualization
cards are small
modal, no preview




linkstemic

https://stemic.app/
BW concept maps that look hand made
free for single user mode
concept map online. French
has categories for nodes. right click interface, drag to connect
objects can have features, factsheet


linkcons

no search on notes. discarded



linkarchbee

linkarchbee

linknodebook discarded defaults to public (!)


https://nodebook.io/
it's a huge mindmap, like the clojure one. Designed for collaboration too
can be a moodboard
no images
too modal
no export
no versioning


linkpros


very good search, can search over multiple nodebooks
Collaboration, multiuser[]
equations
really easy to make a big graph
drag and drop a link and it will make a card


linkcons


defaults to public (!)
no versioning
no offline version


linkkgbase


Keep track of each change in your database


KgBase is versioned database, which means it will keep track of every change made to a dataset. In fact, it’s impossible to change anything without creating a history record.


Unlimited public and private projects for free. Collaboration starting at $19/month.


linkwalls and moodbords


linkinfolio


perfect mood board, links get a preview
notes are bigger and colorful
scroll in all direcitions


cons:
no export
no shortcuts
0b11837


linkorgpad.com


Alternative to drawio
Better suited for text


linkpros

you can share easily with others

it does images very well?

linking by drag and drop is... interesting. Compared to obsidian

clojure project

rich text, tables, images

multiple pageis in a node
can create presentation paths


linkcons (discarded). this is the one I sent Ivan


it's modal (lots of hidden text, cannot be read)

still 31 ms latency,

no local version

no collaboration

no versioning

no export

no minimap

takes a long time to load if lots of nodes

search is browser's built in. So doesn't show the folded text

no linking outside a page

pegs the cpu when doing the animations



linkknowflow


not good at linking when in floating mode
Create sibling
Enter


Create child
Tab
Links


Create
Click + Drag


Delete selected
Backspace
Delete


Reverse
C


linkpros


versioning
really nice
can group
navigaates with arrow keys
really nice for concept maps
can do groups and the groups can have an explanation
very good


not heavy on cpu
good search
good way to link cards from another mapping


linkcons


very bad workflow to add text long form. Very bad, two clicks not doubleclick


doesn't display prose


latency, but because of browser it can edit with kate
but there's no company behind, may disappear anytime
not a good moodboard
somewhat good export to xmind, freemind etc (xml)
the auto arrange loses spatial references
no cards
no clipper
presentations are hard


linkwalling.app


a winner (not)
https://walling.app/


only tool with card AND visual arrangement
beats most of the others


has a clipper
by having a screenshot of the url, it makes things much better. Objects are 'classes' by their url. They have a visual identity (card). Plus you can connect them using named links, aka nodes


linkpros


web clipper
cards, some visual cues


tags linking everything together. And graph where you can explorer it


collaboration
has a graph view, but connections are tags
nice: has both spatial and network stuff. The links are tags


good export as markdown.


Could be used to write a book. But it's a stretch


linkcons


a bit of lockin
no versioning
no tables
it's expensive


headings have no shortcuts
search filters cards on a wall
global search only on premium
switching walls is a bit slow
It kills the CPU sometimes when rendering a complex wall on firefox. This is a no go


linktrello


no undo
no real export
no free location on cards, it always puts them on top
no web clipper


good: wikilink notes


linktreesheets


latency is horrible! worse than any other app 142ms


linkvnote


native but using qtengine


Title Min Max Avg SD
1 vonte heading 6.4 35.1 21.8 7.8
Title Min Max Avg SD
2 vnote 7.6 26.5 17.7 4.4


cons


img inline not visible
tables are meh


linkBasket 2.49


similar to walling. But no linking map


linkCons



low dev speed

no tables

no undo

no global good search

40ms latency

probably not fast enough latency


no backlinks
no graph
not hard to have 30ms latency. even with very simple notes


linkpros



floating notes possible

paragraphs can have icons, tabs, tags

can insert references to baskets, not to paragraphs

img is ok

Has cross references but the way to insert it is primitive


You can move notes very easy
notes are in columns
version control
background color for baskets
free floating baskets, and columns
links can have a card. somewhat


linkdoom emacs


org mode is very nice
doom simplifies shortcuts and shit


tables are meaningful
splits work well. can show images inline


Problem: typing latency on a big monitor goes up with longer files. Bah
Discard emacs for now


Title Min Max Avg SD
1 emacs no hl 2.1 8.1 5.0 1.0
2 emacs no hl long 4.5 23.1 13.1 3.6
3 emacs org file 1600 lines 11.6 93.6 33.3 10.3
Title Min Max Avg SD
1 doom emacs org 366 lines 14.6 120.9 34.8 12.1


linkTitle Min Max Avg SD

1 long lines emacs 30.7 130.9 66.8 23.8


linkTitle Min Max Avg SD

2 emacs clean txt 2.4 24.7 6.9 3.3


linkroam

That should be true, but so far it is Roam with the biggest problems with performance, from 30+ seconds of loading each time you load/refresh tab to constant lags in normal usage for some users :)
I personally like the most this mixed approach of Logseq - app internally uses DataScript, but data is ultimately stored in plain files.


linkLogseq

logseq


linkwiki with graph


https://www.denkwerkzeug.com/


cons
no commits since 2015


linkinkscape (!)


linkTheBrain


No linux version


taskmesister


relations
tags


too much noise


linkZoho notebook


linkpros


decent latency, 20ms on chrome
lots of features
linking notes? yes
inline images
has versions
has note images
easy share
draw
has collaborative editing
has voice notes, transcription
link card. Headline and image will appear


linkcons

no headings
It takes 3 clicks to add a note. Doesn't create new ones
lots of mousing, no real shortcuts
No network view, not easy to do connections with a shortcut. Yes with mouse
cannot rearrange notes like in a whiteboard
No export? save to gdrive one by one. That sucks. not github for knowledge


linkadvantages over obsidian? over kate


This tempted me to replace kate. the only problem is typing latency. Solved with a plugin


linkcons


no split view
typing latency <- we only sacrifice this (!)
no cards
no multiple tabs open


relies on github
no asciidoc
the graph kills the CPU even with a few nodes


pros
block level references
// but how?
Type < to add an Admonition, Note, Tip, Important, Caution, Warning are supported now.
graph view
it's local, so works on a plane. but inside the browser ?
works on mobile somewhat, as long as github works
github backup, and it's markdown
has hand drawing thing Excalidraw
can do slides
search can create a node
dual linking
fast, easy way to link
versioning with github for free
does bold and highlights
smooth scroll
faster global search (rather than the rg step)
can work on chromebook too (!) it pushes and pulls automatically
Sharing is easier, it's html
fonts are better


tips
In the graph view(https://logseq.com/graph), Shift+Click any dot will open that page on the right sidebar.


Logseq supports raw html, you can embed any iframe, e.g. Spotify play list


If you're not familiar with slides in Logseq, go to any page and click the presentation button in the top bar,
it'll open a slide in the right sidebar.


linkwinner: kate


new issue tracker
https://invent.kde.org/utilities/kate/-/issues?scope#all&utf8#%E2%9C%93&state#closed


old
https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch#kate&list_id#1770845


https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug//status#UNCONFIRMED&bug//status#CONFIRMED&bug//status#ASSIGNED&bug//status#REOPENED&field1-0-0#product&field1-0-1#component&field1-0-2#alias&field1-0-3#short//desc&field1-0-4#status//whiteboard&field1-0-5#content&limit#0&list//id#1770847&order#product%2Cbug//status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned//to%2Cbug//id&query_format#advanced&type1-0-0#substring&type1-0-1#substring&type1-0-2#substring&type1-0-3#substring&type1-0-4#substring&type1-0-5#matches&value1-0-0#kate&value1-0-1#kate&value1-0-2#kate&value1-0-3#kate&value1-0-4#kate&value1-0-5#%22kate%22


problem: slow but sure development.
bug reports as if they don't exist. ancient bug tracker


problem: it was slower than pycharm in typometer, but it's an artifact on how the ... makes the entire file to recolor.


bottom: 2.9ms
top: 8.4ms


pycharm: 1.4ms


TODO install
install kompare to see diffs
install dictionaries for spell check
view > show sidebars off
ctrl m


PRO Syntax highlighting
Kate supports syntax highlighting for over 180 languages, from Assembler to Zsh


echopy
PRO By far one of the best and lightest text editors.
Notepads alternative. (for the windows users)


Laura KyleAlex Lowe
PRO Project mode
Kate allows you to make projects to simplify the organisation of your code. This brings in additional organization of an IDE without the overhead.


Laura KyleAlex Lowe
PRO Edit over FTP, SSH, or other protocols
Kate uses KDE's input and output libraries to read and write files, allowing seamless integration with FTP, SMB, SFTP, and many other protocols.


Laura KyleSlimothy
PRO Fast and minimaistic 
Kate is pretty fast and lightweight. This helps it with it's start up speed.


Laura KyleAlex Lowe
PRO Integrated terminal
Has a terminal that can sync to the location of your document, letting you compile or run your program quickly or run quick commands, all without leaving the editor.


Laura KyleSlimothy
PRO Vi entry mode 
Kate has a vi entry mode.


Laura KyleAlex Lowe
PRO Thriving plugin ecosystem
Lots of plugins allow Kate to expand or shrink based on your needs. It includes GDB integration, XML completion, and symbol viewing to speed up programming.


linkpros


easier to configure, mostly all defaults


not so much cpu. Pycharm is constant 5% even on battery mode. but pycharm is mb 10, below ksysguard even


For instance, project management is really good, if you use the Projects plugin and open a file from a git repository. In this case, you can switch to files in the project with Quick Open (ctrl+alt+O). You can use the command line (F7) and type 'pgrep xyz' to search for xyz in all files in the project. A ctags index is built for auto completion and code navigation. A tree view displays the project structure, this tree view also makes tools such as gitk or git-cola available. ...


linkcompared to pycharm:


this is a better howl


linkgood


latency 2ms
splits are nice
don't have to name the file immediately
spelling works
thinner margins
much lighter mem
sessions: you can save splits. This is close to placing text anywhere on the screen. like post it notes or tiling wm.
spellcheck works
decent .ad syntax
much better cpu usage. Easy to move settings around (install ripgrep)


ctrl+alt+O is the same as F7 search files
instead of autocompletion, use ctrl+alt+O, open the file, copy the path with right click tab, and paste
we do xref rarely enough for this not to be a problem. But it's a workflow killer. Also it doesn't suggest a filename when creating one (for reuse). This is true on pycharm too


Good diff, install kompare
Edit marks on the side


linkbad


Not much on right click
sessions : cannot change the filenames, or it breaks
project is a good idea. But search in project is external


no tables
no git integration
no paste image (parste on dolphin, copy url)
no html preview (is that important? only if we do graphs; or tables; which we don't nowadays)


no autosave
// TODO solve
search in project kills the deal. it's serial. SOLVED: do it on the command line with rg
but forget about file autocompletion
and search is not modal, clunky at the bottom of the window
ALT: paste image on dolphin, rename there, copy filename into image: link. good solution


linkWinner: drawio


Could be used as notes too.


with insyc, you can keep a version on your local comp. then later share if needed, add permissions etc with google drive


this is the closest I'll be to the thinking on big paper. needs to be offline to avoid distractions


linkPros


can link to pages (but only one). Select node, (alt shift L)
rightclick > select descendants (alt shift D) for similar nav to yed. You can tag them and hide them etc. Or format them different.
curved connectors. https://drawio-app.com/curved-connectors-in-draw-io-diagrams/
Has freehand (arrange > insert > freehand)
has outline pannel (nav)
Free
quick: go to diagram.new, start working. Amazing
set default style fast: https://www.diagrams.net/blog/shortcut-styles . Styles are stored as key/value pairs, separated by a semicolon.
collaboration, plus local if needed
Can go back and forth from text https://www.diagrams.net/blog/insert-from-text
you can do comments on a shape by adding a custom property 'ctrl m: comment' and display them using the tooltips plugin


You can find shapes using their metadata (awesome!) https://www.diagrams.net/doc/faq/find-shapes This is the famous 'metadata per sentence' that I wanted to have


Can generate an url to share that even has animations
has layers
has tables
has comments, although not situational
saves to plain text
good ergonomics: doubleclick adds element etc PROB: these elements are not visible in the outline
has plugins (example: /plugins/explore.js which does the same as yed dependencies. Great to explore a large graph!)


Has revision history!!! and it's visual!!!!
has dates
has tags, which is the same as layers in vue https://www.diagrams.net/doc/faq/tags-plugin.html
Can do imgs really well
has multiple pages, like xls
formatting of text works
😃😃😃😃😃😃😃has offline app!!!
can link to pages😃


for writing: you can group sentences, and move them as an unit. They can have a shape to represent the passage


linkCons


has config, but it's quite complex https://www.diagrams.net/doc/faq/configure-diagram-editor


it's not plain text, really risky. It's xml tho. Vendor lockin
search missed some things even on the same page
export to text is crap
no named versions; this is not git
latency 30ms, and that's in 'Arrange> import > texv'
arrows are a bit ugly
does not autoresize rectangles: use text. PROB: you have to do this all the time *Solution: Ctrl+Shift+Y autosize. YOu can set that on one node, mark it as default style *//
links cannot be named? Use** edit link (Alt shift L)//
Find does work, but only highlights one match at a time. No filter. Can search on pages though
no search accross maps. Yes if they are tabs
connection points make it ugly when moving boexs around. Solution: click 'snap to point' on the properties of the item


linkcudatext


cons


13ms latency
no syntax for asciidoc


linkonenote


Microsoft has announced that OneNote is no longer going to be part of Office 2019, so OneNote 2016 will be the last ever version. It's going to be supported until 2020, then it's over. One of many sources: RCP Mag


What Microsoft wants you to use instead is the UWP/Windows 10 version of the OneNote app. Of course, as everyone who has ever tried using it knows, that little app is barely a replacement for the powerful note-taking application that is/was OneNote. Like almost every UWP app, it's a glorified little phone toy that doesn't hold up to actual work requirements at all.


To understand that, you don't need to know anything beyond the fact that the OneNote app, the official successor of OneNote 2016, still doesn't, and probably never will, support offline notebooks. That's right, it's 100% cloud or go home. No more local backups, no more being in control of your own data, no more deciding yourself if, how, and where to store and sync your information. If you're okay with that, you might as well switch to using Facebook Notes.


R.I.P. Microsoft OneNote, 2003–2020. You were pretty decent.


linkinforapid (ignore for now, no linux, no real online version)


might be abandoned; windows app with 1997 copyright


z1kaKtIgMIhXN4iR8fSP0LTB5IAHCInLkcKur5HUMbewSoQZj5DjyKwdiy6hzXcw13q7WxOs6zkH22vwhLkZb0NjvE25AfHm
exports to an sqlite database


linkpros


it highlights keywords in your notes if you have the node. A bit of a gimmick


create new items by selecting text


awesome layouts: flowchart, network grouped (by category)
29 latency
relation text is 3D, and it has colors
3D helps distingishing nodes from links
search highlights the items in text too
kinda awesome, exporting to text well
centers graph when searching. not bad! Can be disabled
links have text along the link. And are flat to the ground


linkcons


kills the CPU
They don't save data on servero login: only the secret token; which you can share.
no diff
the graph layout changes as you focus each item. Kinda weird. No method of locy then
problem: web version is php, no collaboration
kinda limited, a demo for win desktop?
could be abandoned? could be a german dude in basement


"We reserve the right to delete free user accounts with all data at any time. Free user accounts are limited to 50MB and are automatically deleted after 30 days of inactivity. It is your responsibility to make local backups of your data. With the command "Download" in the "Knowledge Base" menu, you can download your Knowledge Bases to your local PC. With our apps and programs, you can edit your Knowledge Bases offline. Since we do not store any personal data, we can not send you a new secret user token if you lose it. Access to your user account can not be restored in such a case. Databases may only be publicly shared if you do not use copyright-protected images or texts, and if the content does not violate applicable law.
"


For writing, I keep thinking I need versioning, comments, connections between notes None of that matters.
Output matters.
Sticky notes and big paper to generate structure.
Then write the hell out of things Have a pipeline for content marketing (publishing Calendar).
Get a pace.
One big post per week, one podcast.
Leverage people/capital when we have cash.
no more reading about strategy


202001101448


linkTrilium


/home/q/.local/share q@q ~/.l/share> mv trilium-data/ hold-trilium pass: 8NsJJ@q


30ms latency.
Noticeable can't change fonts
own database


pros + • note revisions https://github.com/zadam/trilium/wiki/Note-revisions + • keeps formatting when pasting + • can install on own server + • metadata!!!
called attributes.
Can sort by 'last contacted' + • relation maps https://github.com/zadam/trilium/wiki/Relation-map Relation map is a type of note which visualizes notes and their relations.

• internal links work as well as zim

• electron may be, but memory is decent

• saved searches

• search results visible at the same time as tree

• you can clone notes

• better tables

• smooth scroll

• back and forth works

• copy pasting photos helps


cons

• electron.
latency

• database.
Can sync with a server version.
Conflicts?
maybe they are prevented.
Then you can look at revisions (it doesn't say who did what tho) + • no api, but remote database may be better?

• hard to share a single note + • no TOC + • no headings + • no diffs on revisions though


Broken links when importing html or markdown


linkLeo editor


see also code browser
and ginko


outliner.
Can it have notes linked to each other?


cons:
High keyboard latency. Discarded


linkvim plugin micoViche


https://github.com/q335r49/microviche no commits since 2014 pan and zoom text on vim nice main text with smaller comments on the side.
Scrollable with mouse but needs a terminal and even alacritty has 13ms latency (!) 15-16 inside of vim(!!!) gvim is 22 cherrytree has 9-11 latency


ignore latency what we lose: - search speed - live links - headings in diff size - tables - images -


linkSciter


sciternotes buggy no shortcuts no fonts configurable failed at importing many notes has the lock note bullshit


linkPros


can have collaboration, share to filesystem (solves phone too)


linknotable:


backed up by a private git repo https://notable.md/


linknototo


islands to drop tags, very cute, Spatial memory


takes an entire browser CPU slow typing


linkroamresearch


https://twitter.com/RoamResearch slow typing has connection map built for collaboration?
NO no better that trilium no better than quip,



it can list all todos, wich is nice but useless • working with code projects there are better tools • too much noise • doesn't search in versions • img sucks



linkmodelsphere


http://www.modelsphere.com/org/install.html
SQL tables modeling


linkfeaturemap


https://www.featuremap.co/en/pricing
corkboard for agile
free only 2 maps


linkflyinglogic


http://flyinglogic.com/


linkpros


Can do logical operations?
see books 'thinking with flying logic'. Very very cool


linkcons


cost 265 bucks!!!


linktwine


interactive novels


linkpros


text based language. With a graph


linkpros


saves to browser local storage. Or archive to file. Same problem


linkyed


linkpros


can calcuate centrality etc
great shortcuts
flexes the connections
auto rendering for best visibility
saves text, so versioning possible. And diff
shows neighborhood
can create custom properties, text, numbers etc for nodes and links
edge rounting is better, can flex them


linkCons


latency 44
NO AUTOSAVE !!!!!!!!! and online version burns the CPU
small fonts on interface
node doesn't resize with text ammount? Solved alt T > n > enter
no Comments, no collaboration
adding freeform text is hard. text notes is tiny and in different window


not very ergonomic to add nodes
takes 3 seconds to start
has to drag to get a shape. Fix : preferences>enable node creation with one click


linkvue


no autosave is really a problem. And latency is the same as a webapp. So webapp it is?


linkpros


Can do split screen
auto rendering for best visibility
great shortcuts
fonts a big bigger than yed
can insert fotos
can do paths, export path as presentation?
layers
'


linkCons


latency 36
windows are floating by default
NO AUTOSAVE !!!!!!!!!
text notes is tiny and in different window
links are always straight lines
text is tiny and ugly by default. do 150%
takes 3 seconds to start
no updates, discontinued
no autosave


linkobsidian

obsidian


linktrilium


linkpros

has concept maps with notes. Closest thing to adding notes while in graph view
can name the relationships
does really great integration between concept maps and notes
notes have metadata; can have calculations on metadata, graph them


linkcons

cannot filter the map
no backlinks pannel
lots of noise in the UI
just poor UX
navigating the graph is terrible
search sucks
db
lock in
the longer the page the worse the latency
it feels sluggish to type here? no


linkhttps://www.zettlr.com/


has tags
does zettel well


linkcons


md
electron
latency: CKeditor, about 20ms (no; it feels sluggish



linkpycharm with https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor-intellij-plugin



Problem:
not good for zettel
not good for bidirectional note links. no easy linking; you have to create the new note, go back to parent, type xref:ctrl enter, select note


not good for visual stuff? see visualization. It sucks, no real solution


giving notes a title is a bit of a pain.
Friction. More so filenames


But it's a decent price to pay for backwards compatibility etc


typing-like-this-could-solve-the-spaces-problem.ad
or just do a search/replace on the folder after the fact
adding the ad extension too


assumption: we never need the entire network


doing things in plain text is uninspiring. Doing it moving files around is better, but not that much better. And no comments?


linkpros


can collect TODOS as long as they are in comments //
has mermaid and similar
great search
antora in case this ever matters to publish a site
add notes, txt
marks changes on the gutter
free
note versioning
even selection versioning (!). That is, you can highlight a single sentence and see all historic revisions
awesome typing latency
select text, right click > local history > show history for selection
named versioning (with git)
good diffs from previous versions
Autosave


linkvisualization


use caja


linkcons

no graph view
poor ergonomics creating notes


text boxes are tiny, logo is big.
not many items on one screenful
no colors, bolding etc
limited to a few nodes
no connections
combined with caja, it can do a bit of visual representation. Naming notes (filenames) with understcore is a pain tho
not sharing
not versioning of the visual arrangement (you can copy the folder tho)
it will create a multitude of folders. You can still find notes tho


linkcons


no easy to do tags It has ":keywords A B C" but the search is not specific for it
no maps, not very visual. what tool displays files in a floating way
no easy linking; you have to create the new note, go back to parent, type xref:ctrl enter, select note


linkdebategraph


linkPros


Free
community
has autosave, comments, collaboration


linkCons


doesn't reshape with size of text
ergonomics suck


linkconceptboard


Too far away from the standard usecase


linkpros



No need to scroll with mouse, which is disconcerting - method of loci.

Users can collaborate.


That's better than most notetakers


Versioning

adding a note is damn fast.


But you need to place it with the mouse


Images are very easy to add

Search is awesome

has updates from team members

you can see which board others are reading/editing - You can see cursor moving in close to realtime.


But not so close that editing feels slow - Can work on phone (!) - notes should not be too long, otherwise it's hard to find the highlight after a search.


Can embed audio and video - attachmentslarge boards may become slow - note linking works.



It teleports.
That's one way to keep context, keep the last 5 links.
We have the same problem with the cherrytree sidebar.
Hard to see most recently edited


linkCONs



No headings, no bold, no bullets.


Can use highlighter, but that doesn't export.
Could use markdown format - Doesn't keep formatting when pasting htm - Hard to export text.
Would have to export pdf and then extract text.
And order is lost.
A bit of lock in


You cannot search across boards.


But you do from google drive - Not easy to see who edited what.
And revert changes?Would have to pay, and use one board for all notesNot keeping html format when pasting - no tables.
Or pasting tables will not work


sections exist, but they re a mess.


Only visual.
Only a posteriori


no easy import/export of mass notes

modal, needs clicks and shortcuts

no note titles.


Hard to search by title


hard to move back and forth in edit history (alt arrows)if you edit the text, the highlighter gets out of place - If you use notes as paragraphs/headings, there's a lot of mousing around - Requires a big screen;


not easy to have a small window side to side - Hard to read focusing on a single not - eA big screen with wall of text is hardly easy to navigate.
Sections could be a solution.
But you cannot create them easily.
And you cannot search on their titles easily


linkFreehand invison


nice


linkpros


free


linkcons


no search
no infinite whiteboard


linksketchboard.me


linkpros


organic look
connections are wobbly
free is public
has notes
is multiuser
has teams and somewhat granular permissions


Can do search in boards, better than conceptboard
Can do slides. A bit weird. kinda like prezi. some notes are not visible


has versioning


has markdown notes
infinite whiteboard
https://sketchboard.io/help/shortcuts


linkcons


versioning only on paid, and it's expensive
export is only png so
no git
vendor lockin
ugly


linkdia


binary files
hard to edit text


linkyed


pros


saves xml files
has online version, can do public with github gists
which has tables


cons
no search
java
horrible workflow


linkFibery


notes > spreadsheets > db-like things like airtable > fibery outside that complexity path: whiteboards


As a notetaker, not great.
It's a replacement for Jira it seems jira?
CRM?

it can add people after sending an email (zapier) - can't do calls - can't do mass email, and track open rates Too much overhead to use as general comms?
Could be centerpiece, but it's barely released, not sure they will get funding?


Idea: standardize courses, exercises, slides.
Do versioning on fibery.
So materials improve really fast


linkPros



access permissions - collaborative - has whiteboard (primitive, but still) - no shortcuts - no easy migration out of it - no tables?


With formulas?


linkCons



Has subpar versions of everything: CRM, etc - it's a 'master of none' product



tables here do suck


linkNotekit


https://github.com/blackhole89/notekit cons - Doesn't compile anywhere.
Abandoned?

no img support - no internote linkng pros - handdrawing - filebased


linkHowl


to see shortcuts, alt x > tab


linkpros



superfast searches on file names

lowest latency ever, 6ms

split view

fulltext search is awesome.


Class on its own


autocomplete is fast as hell.


A class on its own with ripgrep


linkcons



no tables (markdown)

no continuation of bullets

no images

no bolding with shortcut

no insert date

no spellcheck



Howl as a CRM?



use the pub folder

create a network of people.


Add by hand where you communicated with them


blast emails: use another tool

doesn't scale to multiple users very well.


You lose 'who did what' unless notes are kept.


finding and editing notes locally is faster than editing a damn CRM.



Chats and quip are keeping comms internal.
We need to mix and match 1:1 external comms, email blasts, follow ups, etc.
Keeping things on email may make a lot of sense.
Emails are immutable though.
Sent emails are a productivity thing.
Unlike notes.


linkSublimeless ZK


https://github.com/renerocksai/sublimeless_zk/releases # 202002101339 Evaluation sublimelessZK


linkpros



no continuation of bullets

export to html is easy - can do a map with an external tool buggy

Creating a new note and link from selected text very handy

note expansion

no useless note tree, just a search

view history

keeps undo history

versioning as they are text/markdown

autosave

saved searches



sciter has nothing over this one.


linkcons


Can't do spelling

No back and forth in notes, only tabs
tiny fonts on the side - no tables - no projects.
Sharing is all or nothing

sharing a note needs the imgs too

import will need the ids to be generated

pandoc -s -r html http://www.gnu.org/software/make/ -o example12.text


linkTrilium


linkpros


supernice link maps


linkcons


note links do not export well at all, just an ID.
So you have vendor lockin Super slow typing latency


linknuclino:


For the frontend we use React, MobX, ProseMirror, and Webpack.


The backend uses Node.js, Express, µWS, and Postgres.


linkpros


really fast new doc
history is a slider
30ms
NO hierarchical docs


fast switching with K


search is decent,


team management, real permissions


Does realtime better


does comments better


has versioning


list of docs available always there


graph of dependencies


does tables better


And undo works better too


has workspaces and teams


has version history with nice timeline


superfast new item creation


Can have graph always visible (!)


very easy item creation(!)


Better for images


in Germany


toc on the side for navigation of long docs


linkcons


not so easy to move paragraphs


versioning is a slider, no landmarks possible?


no tags for anything / clusters are tags


no easy diffs


No tagging per line


no date due nor calendar integrations


search on all lists doesn't higlight the matches


no easy to format bullets after the fact


no folding, hoisting,


missing keyboard shortcuts for many things


No api? coming


graph is not really that useful for discoverability


saves with every keystroke


linkdropbox paper


linkpros


has diff


linkcons


no fast doc creation
no tree (nesting)
no kanban
doesn't feel fast


linknotejoy

notejoy


linkninbus



linkcons

no backlinks

hard to measure but latency seems high. 39-42


Conclusion: all online tools have crap latency. Nothing we can do about it.


linkbit.ai


To measure usage (whether people read stuff) we have bit.ai (6$ with edu 50% off). 500gb = an alt to gdrive?
ff 34, chrome 24


seems to be designed for sending docs aroud for sales. Not for collaboration
A better docx, with tracking
communicate with people outside the org


linkcons


We can invite lots of people
who would prefer gdocs
no shortcuts. very poor accessibility for keyboard


compared to quip 'updates' view, they called it 'insights'
very bad updates. only per workspace, and only creating. Not changing. They don't tell you when someone changed the doc!!!!.
left nav bar is worthless
folder based, like quip


opening a doc takes seconds. You have to search (it's fast) so zero discoverable
actually quire is quite discoverable!


not easy to switch docs. Very much a no go


free version is 50 docs only. Forces us to not multiply them!


linkpros


19 ms latency, even with a big doc. Only real advantage.


free up to 50 docs


RT editing


video embeds


trackable links to see what people read


free has 5 limit in org members, then 4$ edu


and it's free, making sure we generate very few docs (50 plus 10 for each team member)


linkquip


linkcons


takes 3 sec to start a doc. Worse than gdocs
folder based
almost zero discoverability
30 sec latency


linkslite


linkpros


could be free for education?
tree for docs
fast doc creation, 1 sec
fancy tables
like notion?
good md import/export


linkcons


latency probably very high


link[of]:settling down


linkseafile plus cudatext 🟡🛖


TODO Find a host that doesn't charge per file


What if cuda did:
lock
'compare to previous version' on desktop
autocomplete file:/// using the project dropdown


needs:
project plugin doing search well


For new users:
install seafile
dl cuda, plugins. It comes with the 'repo'! no dependencies
download folders with markdown


teach:
how to insert images
how to do 'file///' links
culture of documenting what you did
how to share these files with others
how to see what others did
why async is important
how to look at changes
how to lock a file
how to search


TODO TEST downside: only admin can share files? add them to groups?


linkpros



can do emojis, meta + dot in kde
can do images inline
Some acitivity feed
notifications of changes with filemanager icons
proper latency
open as many files as possible
See changes on the web (with diff)
bookmarks
minimap
long files fine


linkcons


hard to acquire lock
changes are not named by user
you have to go online to see changes. no 'compare to previous version' on desktop
everyone has all files on their hard drive. Remote wipe?
not so easy to do shares. It's all or none. A folder (like a project in quire). Or create a link
lock: ask for it. Only on win desktop
we would need to simulate comments by writing them at the bottom
no @mention. No problem
no authorship (not tested). That is, who wrote what
images don't work by copy-paste


Bug: On windows: Seafile, DropBox and OneDrive together make the seafile context menu items vanish. As well as the overlay icons in explorer


Problems in paradise:
Title Min Max Avg SD
1 plain text, no ghosting, tiny caret 3.9 62.0 12.7 6.8
2 big md 3000 lines, no ghosting, tiny caret 14.6 92.3 42.5 13.3
3 big md as untitled, 3000 lines, no ghosting, tiny caret 6.4 68.1 34.7 12.6



https://github.com/Alexey-T/CudaText/issues/3089


I cannot solve it, TextOut (ExtTextOut) on linux is not known code to me.


the same slowdown occurs on gtk2 and qt5.
so it is mostly Lazarus issue of gtk2/qt5 codes.


1 cuda bottom of big md file 7.7 39.3 28.4 5.4


4 kate big md as untitled, 3000 lines, no ghosting, tiny caret 1.4 13.6 5.6 2.3
5 narrow column big md as untitled, 3000 lines, no ghosting, tiny caret 5.0 43.7 15.7 5.4
6 geany big md as untitled, 3000 lines, no ghosting, tiny caret 2.7 12.7 6.2 1.9
7 Untitled 1.8 15.5 7.0 2.6
8 geany big md as md, 1670 lines 1.7 24.6 5.1 2.5
9 Untitled 1.4 7.7 3.6 1.5


linkora


LTD but still expensive


it's a todolist, with gant, and cards etc


it's a chat, with audio messages, and video messages. That could be very handy


linkpros


comments can be video or audio (!)
tracking time
custom fields
chat
incldes chats
on board mode you write straight on the card
good shortcuts
wysiwyg


linkcons


slow typing
no task description diff
modal, no side notes :(
no exEditor
no diff
no permanent undo
you need an url for an image


takes a cpu. Bah



Different project setups for different projects: Be it a complex ebook publishing project with 100 tasks or a qimple blog front-page revamp - every project gets the features it needs - not more but also not less

The UI: Many other project management tools either have so many features that the UI starts to feel cluttered (Clickup) or are easy to use but not so powerful (Trello without Power-Ups). Ora has all the power with none of the clutter.

Both personal and business workspace: This is one of my favourite features both in Ora and in my other ApSumo favourite - Nimbus Note. I can use both tools for both business and personal life and all the tasks / information is separated but still in the same app.

The agenda view: This combines the power of a Project Management app with the familiar look-and-feel of a personal task management tool. The week planning section and saved custom filters are real gems in my opinion.

Project members: The ability for only inviting someone to a project, not to the entire organization. The founder of Ora told me about this in a LTD Facebook group yesterday and I really like this because I often work with contractors who shouldn't see all the other projects that they're not involved in.

The new features in Ora3: Chat and mobile apps. It is so nice to check off to-dos on the go or have a discussion in the context of a project

Ability to embed boards (even private ones but you need to be logged-in to access them) into other tools like Nimbus Note



Here are some things I'm waiting for / suggesting:

Agenda in mobile app so I can quickly check my own tasks for today on the go

German translation

The ability to create project "events" with day/week view on agenda calendar for things like scheduled video meetings, appointments at (virtual) conventions / conferences, live streaming sessions and other activities where you don't just need a date range but rather exact time and location

Inviting guests to chat channels (for example to do a quick audio call with a potential client who isn't part of any project because the deal isn't final yet).

Integration ideas: Pabbly connect (it's a Zapier alternative that is very popular in the Lifetime-Deals community), Nimbus Note (it's where quite a few Sumo-lings keep their project notes / wiki / documentation), Apple Calendar (to see tasks on my iPhone calendar)
'


linkmindforger and seafile


This thing is like a desktop version quire. It can link to headers on a big markdown file instead of tons of small ones. And it will stay fast as it only shows in the editor the bit for the section heading.


It has tags.


stupid click to edit too


linkpros


can add metadata to a section or a file (in comment)

it has a good TOC, where you can order files. Very much like quire,

feels faster than the others

You can do refactorings

What links here

autocomplete links

comments are very nice

has revisions per note

created, read

has the feeling of a book

diff on a notebook would be better than many files


linkcons



seems to be really bad for molecular sharing

no 'who changed what'

has stupid save. no autosave

no shortcuts

A bit complex to explain

no diff

not easy to have multiple docs open in splits

no link source like quire

no diff

fonts are terrible

not possible to collapse subnotes



link- for a new note, you always have to put it somewhere


linkThiefMD


nice, better than custora?


linkpros



Super good scroll

typewriter scroll. Although it gets confused sometimes

exports to ghost too

writegood integration



linkcons



doesn't do continuation

no note linking

mo multitab

mediocre typing speed on big files



link- no search


Linux (only) outliners:


Hiero: https://productivepenguin.blogspot.com/2015/07/an-outliner-for-linux.html


Treeline: http://treeline.bellz.org/index.html


Zim: http://zim-wiki.org/


Outliner Lighto: http://freshmeat.sourceforge.net/projects/outline-lighto


hnb: http://hnb.sourceforge.net/


gjots: http://bhepple.freeshell.org/gjots/


kjots: https://userbase.kde.org/KJots


Dockboard: http://dockboard.sourceforge.net/


Basket Note Pads: https://basket-notepads.github.io/


Tomboy: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Tomboy


vym: https://sourceforge.net/projects/vym/


Buzz: http://buzz.sourceforge.net/


gnote: https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gnote


Plume-Creator: http://plume-creator.eu/


Kabikaboo: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kabikaboo/
Kabikaboo is a simple tree-branch note organizer. It is meant to be used to help aid in the writing of a novel. Users can plan out their story, plot, and characters. Created with Python


anvil: 7ADC31D3BFG700F44C06697


MyNotex: https://sites.google.com/site/mynotex/


Dokuwiki: https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki


linkwhat I need


linkFor collaboration:



versioning and diff

integrating with seafile

who did what ideal

comments



linkfor zettel



linking being easy. Autocomplete ideal. clickable links

split views, mutliple tabs open

what links here



linkfor writing



fast typing latency, that doesn't increase with file size

keyboard shortcuts, proper editor functionality

back and forth navigation.



linkfor capturing



add to app something highlighted on a browser, with url (provenance). This can be hacked together in openbox



linkfor comfort



Easy integration with images. copy paste. Ideally seeing the images on the text




linkkomodo edit

4.4 42.2 16.3 3.5


Bad latency. discarded


linkZim

On windows, cons:


no spellcheck

typing latency 20ms

python plugins may not work?

blurry text

scroll not smooth

only 3page pdf reader is okular, and pagination is very slow, more so on weak cpu

antimalware takes 200mb memory and some cpu

okular takes lots of memory



linkTitle Min Max Avg SD

1 zim big md converted bottom 1.1 36.5 2.8 3.0


Big, big win!!!





linkPros


smooth scroll

inter notebook links (!) great for collaboration if we have one public notebook per team and one private

super fast everything, even big files

paste img works

TOC

HTML export

ctrl to insert links

fast adding notes with title

versioning and diff with git

navigation with something similar to tabs

browser-like navigation capabilities that let you use hotkeys to move through through history the way we might press a browser's back/forward buttons to move through different tabs.



linkcons


pasting tables a bit iffy

pasting html too

stuck on python 2.7

may have scalability problems: solved using an external seach

no corkboard view

default fonts a bit too small




linkcode browser


linkpros


can do link
can do comments that are big and hidden
good fonts


linkcons

doesn't do markdown
no split view, need two instances
no autocuntinuation


linkno autocomplete links


linkFor collaboration:



0 versioning and diff

0 integrating with seafile

0 who did what ideal

1 comments



linkfor zettel



1 linking being easy.

0 Autocomplete ideal.

1 clickable links

0 split views, mutliple tabs open

0 what links here



linkfor writing



1 fast typing latency, that doesn't increase with file size

1 keyboard shortcuts, proper editor functionality

1 back and forth navigation. wonky!



linkfor capturing



add to app something highlighted on a browser, with url (provenance). This can be hacked together in openbox



linkfor comfort



Easy integration with images. copy paste. Ideally seeing the images on the text


save name of file


conclusion: we need small files for molecular share.
That means :


writing long md should be the exception. typolat on big files not super important

The notebook approach on forger is not great for this

good linking and file management fundamental



Latency is freaking noticeable still!


linkCherrytree


linkTitle Min Max Avg SD

1 tiny cherrytree 1.0 6.9 2.4 1.2
2 cherrytree middle big 1.8 16.2 3.4 2.6
3 zim middle big 1.1 43.7 3.4 3.9


linkpro

very fast
much faster new note now that it


linkcons

pain to insert links
no good img insert solution
no versioning
no sharing
ugly fonts
fiddly
need to vaquum the db
no molecular shares


search gets slower and no rg workaround


linkSpiral


does it do headers? yes, but no shortcuts


linkpros


search is decent

does keep html formatting when pasting

floating things on a page. real corkboard

great latency

keeps undo per note block

autocontinuation of bullets

can paste images





linkcons


only one level in hierarchy, notes and pages, but they can be rearranged by hand

doubleclick to insert box gets tedious

no kb shortcuts

one man operation

no export, but it's html

one big file for notebooks will make conflicts more common

not possible to drag boxes?

no note links

no tags, no metadata. No external search possible

one big file per notebook. So shares are all or nothing

search is painful if there are many matches

no binary attachments

with a big file (this one) it gets to 8.5ms

pasting alien html makes the json file unreadable

unreadable diffs

no nav history

gets messy visually very fast



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